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Just out of curiosity, I wonder if there are any state or federal laws that actually require the registration of newborn children? Is it a crime not to get a birth certificate? Or, could a person be born and live in one of these communities without ever entering the system? I realize many members of the group must have social security numbers, driver’s liscenses, etc., but could it be possible for some of these young girls to remain “officially” unknown as long as they spend their lives on the ranch? How do parents qualify for welfare payments without identifying each child? It seems to me that the authorities don’t have a clue as to who many of them really are. They have opened a huge can of worms. Maybe they should have left well enough alone. Although, it looks like some good job security for local bureaucrats.
 
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my guess would be it is illegal to live here in the USA with no papers, documentation, ss #....
unless you plan on feeding off grass and milking your own cow, i don't see how you can get by without a tax id no.
i could be wrong



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We have 15 million people that do it every day. They pay no taxes. They get most of the benifits we do. All the presidential candits want to keep it that way.
 
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Originally posted by dbob:
We have 15 million people that do it every day. They pay no taxes. They get most of the benifits we do. All the presidential candits want to keep it that way.




 
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clean the country of these illegals. no more mexicans and no more arabs. put quotas into law. stop the stupidty.


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Originally posted by Mike Quinn:
Just out of curiosity, I wonder if there are any state or federal laws that actually require the registration of newborn children? Is it a crime not to get a birth certificate? Or, could a person be born and live in one of these communities without ever entering the system? I realize many members of the group must have social security numbers, driver’s liscenses, etc., but could it be possible for some of these young girls to remain “officially” unknown as long as they spend their lives on the ranch? How do parents qualify for welfare payments without identifying each child? It seems to me that the authorities don’t have a clue as to who many of them really are. They have opened a huge can of worms. Maybe they should have left well enough alone. Although, it looks like some good job security for local bureaucrats.


Good post with great questions Mike. I know in order to obtain any kind of federal assistance like welfare, food stamps, health insurance, you need a valid Social Security number.
I also believe it's a Public Health law that all births be registered, whether they complied or not is another question!
 
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Originally posted by Suzie:
Not to go off topic, but some years ago I read a story about a little boy Bradley McGee, he had been taken away from his parents because of neglect, he was given back and little Bradley was around 2 yrs old, his mother left him with his father and Bradley soiled his pants, the father became enraged and picked little Bradley up by the heels and dunked Bradley head first into the toilet bowl several times, little Bradley died of a fractured skull, the Dept. of Children and Welfare who were supposed to look out for Bradley knew that there were problems but sent him back because they did not like to keep children from their parents, outcome, was public rage, heads flew at DCF and Bradleys dad got probation for battery.

This is just one case in a million, if we go around taking all children from there parents we're throwing them to the wolves, better to try and educate the parents and stay involved till they get it right.


Suzie how can he be charged with battery when the child died from a fractured skull? Is that not murder? Hmmm I wonder where this state was that allowed a sentence like this. This is what has to be stopped, the pleading down of violent crimes!!!!!No one advocates for the poor defensless victims, no matter what age they may be.
 
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They pleaded it down, I understand that FL does not have the swiftest people running their agencies, its happened over and over again, the children that are lost because of lazy people not wanting to do their jobs, they say their overloaded, and can't handle the case loads, well damnmit, someone has to listen, whether its a supervisor or co-worker, but instead they push the blame on to the next person. Children need to be protected, someday someone will say enough it stops now, but until that day comes, innnocent children will be silent victim.
 
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SUZIE, IT HAPPEND IN FLORIDA? I'LL HAVE TO LOOK IT UP...
NYC'S -DCW IS NOTORIOUS FOR LETTING CHILDREN SLIP THROUGH...
NO SENSE IN TALKING, BECAUSE NOTHING GETS DONE ANYWAY...



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Happened on the West Coast of FL I believe it was Dade City, Fl. he was around 2 yrs old at the time.
 
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DIDN'T THEY REMOVE ALL THE CHILDREN TODAY FROM THEIR PARENTS AND THE COMPOUND?
THE KIDS ARE IN FOSTER HOMES NOW...WHAT AN EXTREME TRANSITION FOR THESE KIDS..WOW..

I CAN'T BELEIVE THIS IS HAPPENING IN AMERICA..



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DIDN'T THEY REMOVE ALL THE CHILDREN TODAY FROM THEIR PARENTS AND THE COMPOUND?
THE KIDS ARE IN FOSTER HOMES NOW...WHAT AN EXTREME TRANSITION FOR THESE KIDS..WOW..



Yeah to go from religious fairy land to reality. How horrible.
 
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eah to go from religious fairy land to reality. How horrible.



Do you have any idea of how many freaks are becoming and already are FOSTER PARENTS? They do it strictly for the moola, and they usually wind up harming the children. Religious fairy land? Wow, what a way to put it.
 
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eah to go from religious fairy land to reality. How horrible.



Do you have any idea of how many freaks are becoming and already are FOSTER PARENTS? They do it strictly for the moola, and they usually wind up harming the children. Religious fairy land? Wow, what a way to put it.


First, there is nothing wrong with foster parents providing shelter and protection for the "moola". Those children are not long term residents
Second, You do not know that they are harming the children, that is only your supposition with no fact and only hysteria.
Third, What would you call living in a place that is 2oo years behind the time, deprives the children of knowledge of the modern world and tells them that the world is evil? It ain't DisneyWorld but it also ain't the real world.
 
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If you saw the women who got out ,she said the children were beat all the time with brooms and everything else in the name of GOD! When they weren't being beaten they were being raped by filthy old men ,in the name of GOD! The women have no conection to the children ,they are breeders that's all..I hope the kids get as far away from there as they can....Kids are resilant.. You only read about the bad foster parents,there are plenty of good ones... I hope Warren Jeffs is getting what he desrves behind bars ..Whos your daddy now LOL!

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lorac, please tell me where you heard this .
i want to read about it in depth...

has there been proof from the medical field that these (400) children now being sorted into foster care were RAPED AND BEATEN?
did you hear this on the news? or read it?

thanks



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Originally posted by Concourse Star:
lorac, please tell me where you heard this .
i want to read about it in depth...

has there been proof from the medical field that these (400) children now being sorted into foster care were RAPED AND BEATEN?
did you hear this on the news? or read it?

thanks


Now that is funny...you asking for verification of a statement.
 
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By raped I meant forced to marry at 13 14 15 years old. to old men and the forced to have their first sexual experience with them. There is a great book with many facts...



http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Carolyn-Jessop/dp/0767927567
 
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By raped I meant forced to marry at 13 14 15 years old. to old men and the forced to have their first sexual experience with them. There is a great book with many facts...



http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Carolyn-Jessop/dp/0767927567
 
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Originally posted by Concourse Star:
lorac, please tell me where you heard this .
i want to read about it in depth...

has there been proof from the medical field that these (400) children now being sorted into foster care were RAPED AND BEATEN?
did you hear this on the news? or read it?

thanks


Now that is funny...you asking for verification of a statement.


YOU are an idiot and troublemaker....and of course can't see the difference in my asking and the way you and the snope worshipers asked me..
hahaha

dumbdeedumbdumb



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