BackInTheBronx.com    BackInTheBronx.com Bulletin Board    Forums  Hop To Forum Categories  Back In THE BRONX Forums  Hop To Forums  General Interest    Double Dealing with Islamic Extremism
Page Next | Last

Moderators: Rob-ADMIN
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
-star Rating Rate It!  Login/Join 
Picture of Holy Moses
Posted
from the book “Descent into Chaos: The U.S. and the Disaster in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Central Asia,” by Ahmed Rashid
quote:
Musharraf heard about the attack on the Twin Towers while attending a military briefing in Karachi. He immediately ordered a meeting of his generals and a few key civilian cabinet members. Musharraf’s first words were ominous: “The U.S. will react like a wounded bear and attack Afghanistan,” he said. He told those assembled that Pakistan could not oppose American demands and could no longer support the Taliban, but it would not take part in any U.S. attack on Afghanistan. Bush had already said that the United States would punish not just the perpetrators of the attack but also any states that harbored terrorists.
Musharraf asked for other views, but there was no disagreement. “We agreed that we would unequivocally accept all U.S. demands, but then later we would express our private reservations to the U.S. and we would not necessarily agree with all the details,” said Abdul Sattar, who as foreign minister recorded the meeting. That night the policy that Pakistan would adopt toward Washington was summed up in the phrase “First say yes and later say . . .” It was a policy Musharaff was to follow consistently for the next few years.
The Bush administration did not question Musharaff as long as the Pakistani army cooperated with the principal U.S. objective to catch al Qaeda leaders. Many Pakistanis saw it as a continuation of U.S. policies since the 1950s, with Washington always preferring to deak with a single military dictator who made all the decisions and was unencumbered by parliaments, elections, or politicians.
Washington’s limited aims suited the Pakistani army perfectly because they allowed for a new strategic alliance with the United States with minimum risk to the army’s concept of national security, which rested on three pillars. These were resisting Indian hegemony in the region, and promoting the Kashmir cause; protecting and developing the nuclear program; and promoting a pro-Pakistani government in Afghanistan. All three interests rested on unquestioned support from the Islamic fundamentalist parties and their extremist wings. Even though Islamabad had “lost” Afghanistan for the time being, the military was convinced that U.S. staying power in Afghanistan would be short-lived and that their opportunities to reshape the government in Kabul would return.

Picture this! We negotiate with (fill in a country) . I’m thinking Pakistan at the moment, because we need their support if we are going to have any kind of success in Afghanistan. They promise the world and tell us exactly what we want to hear. We, in turn, give them tons of money, weapons and aid. But in the end, they wind up doing exactly what they want anyway. We “crack down,” have some more “TALKS” and make some more demands. They make some more promises. We declare that “THE TALKS” have been successful and give them some more “stuff” and make some more concessions - think Paris Peace Talks from the Vietnam era. (I’d prefer to think of the Japanese signing an unconditional surrender on the deck of the great battleship USS Missouri.) And on and on it goes. I think you get the picture. Meanwhile back in the fields and mountains of Afghanistan, our brave soldiers and Marines continue to die, while our politicians do this ridiculous “dance” with our enemies and those who support them. When will we realize that “TALKING” and killing have been ways of life in the Middle East for thousands of years? This is what they do, and they do it very well. We pat ourselves on the back and tell each other how clever we are, but they have nothing but contempt for us as they return to their caves to make some more IEDs and prepare for another round of “TALKS.” After all, they have nothing but time; it is not like they invented the light bulb, or are worried about sending their kids to college.
I say we cancel the “TALKING” and take the money we might have given them and invest in manufacturing the biggest and best non-atomic bombs we can develop. Then we introduce them to The B-52s, and I don’t mean the late ‘70s rock group. America talks big about sending messages, so how about we send them a high-altitude special delivery message. A single B-52 can carry 60,000 pounds of bombs and drop them from 50,000 feet. This should give them plenty to talk about amongst themselves as they hide in their caves trembling in fear. Seal up the Khyber Pass if that’s what it takes. After all, it’s not as if the Taliban air force is going to stop us. They hate us anyway, so why not give them something they can really hate us for. Counter-insurgency my a$$.
 
Posts: 66 | Location: Mount Sinai, Egypt | Registered: 17 September 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
For a religious man, I like your thinking. But what will the world think about us. HaHa.
 
Posts: 1206 | Location: Universal City, TX. | Registered: 19 December 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Picture of norre
Posted Hide Post
EXCELLENT POST MOSES. I AGREE 100%.

MIKET. I BET THE WORLD WOULDN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THE WORLD STOOD SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH US IN GETTING THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR 9-11.I ALSO THINK THEY NOW HAVE A DIFFERENT MINDSET WHEN IT COMES TO AL-QUADA AND TERRORIST IN GENERAL.




------------------------------
IF YOU CAN'T BE CONTENT IN WHAT YOU HAVE, BE THANKFUL FOR WHAT YOU HAVE ESCAPED.
 
Posts: 435 | Registered: 20 September 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
I was just joking, I agree.
 
Posts: 1206 | Location: Universal City, TX. | Registered: 19 December 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Picture of norre
Posted Hide Post
I GOTCHA MIKE.LOL




------------------------------
IF YOU CAN'T BE CONTENT IN WHAT YOU HAVE, BE THANKFUL FOR WHAT YOU HAVE ESCAPED.
 
Posts: 435 | Registered: 20 September 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
If we had initially gone into Afghanistan, I wonder where we would be today?


EGO SUM LUX MUNDI
 
Posts: 1831 | Location: Oslo, Norway | Registered: 15 February 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
quote:
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THE WORLD STOOD SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH US IN GETTING THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR 9-11

REALLY? I THOUGHT GW STARTED THIS WAR AND HAD THE TOWERS BLOWN UP? YOU MEAN HE DIDN'T?


Hummingbird
 
Posts: 766 | Location: long island new york | Registered: 10 September 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hummingbird:
quote:
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THE WORLD STOOD SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH US IN GETTING THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR 9-11

REALLY? I THOUGHT GW STARTED THIS WAR AND HAD THE TOWERS BLOWN UP? YOU MEAN HE DIDN'T?


Bush started a war with the wrong country.


EGO SUM LUX MUNDI
 
Posts: 1831 | Location: Oslo, Norway | Registered: 15 February 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Inarsword:
quote:
Originally posted by Hummingbird:
quote:
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THE WORLD STOOD SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH US IN GETTING THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR 9-11

REALLY? I THOUGHT GW STARTED THIS WAR AND HAD THE TOWERS BLOWN UP? YOU MEAN HE DIDN'T?


Bush started a war with the wrong country.


And what was the exact vote in Congress?


Recession is when my neighbor loses his job, Depression is when I lose my job.

Recovery is when Milhouse loses his job.
 
Posts: 2849 | Location: 4 Corners | Registered: 26 October 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
Geez Harper, I am beginning to think that you have a serious problem. Congress approved the war based on the falsification of information coming from the Bush administration. Can you understand that?


EGO SUM LUX MUNDI
 
Posts: 1831 | Location: Oslo, Norway | Registered: 15 February 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Inarsword:
Geez Harper, I am beginning to think that you have a serious problem. Congress approved the war based on the falsification of information coming from the Bush administration. Can you understand that?


Innie, Just about every world leader believed that Iraq had WMDs. Was Bush smart enough to fool all of them?


Recession is when my neighbor loses his job, Depression is when I lose my job.

Recovery is when Milhouse loses his job.
 
Posts: 2849 | Location: 4 Corners | Registered: 26 October 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by HARPER:
quote:
Originally posted by Inarsword:
Geez Harper, I am beginning to think that you have a serious problem. Congress approved the war based on the falsification of information coming from the Bush administration. Can you understand that?


Innie, Just about every world leader believed that Iraq had WMDs. Was Bush smart enough to fool all of them?


No he was not smart enough, he was a good enough liar.


EGO SUM LUX MUNDI
 
Posts: 1831 | Location: Oslo, Norway | Registered: 15 February 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
So if Bush was well-aware of the Islamic threat, why didn't he prepare our country, or order a pre-emptive strike, or at LEAST let us know that he was provided with classified reports that there were threats against our country?

His response was too little, too late.


______________________________________________________________
Where love rules, there is no will to power, and where power predominates, love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other.
 
Posts: 3675 | Location: a beautiful farm in a MORE beautiful valley. | Registered: 27 October 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
KILL THEM ALL,LET GOD SORT THEM OUT.
 
Posts: 1478 | Location: Ocala,Florida | Registered: 02 December 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
THESE PEOPLE HERE ARE FROM THE BLAME AMERICA FOR 9/11 CROWD, I CANNOT BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE BREATHE THE SAME AIR I DO. IT'S A SACRILEGE.


Hummingbird
 
Posts: 766 | Location: long island new york | Registered: 10 September 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hummingbird:
THESE PEOPLE HERE ARE FROM THE BLAME AMERICA FOR 9/11 CROWD, I CANNOT BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE BREATHE THE SAME AIR I DO. IT'S A SACRILEGE.



Well if you stop breathing, then we won't breathe the same air.


EGO SUM LUX MUNDI
 
Posts: 1831 | Location: Oslo, Norway | Registered: 15 February 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
Hummingbird,

To the best of your recollection, was President Bush aware of a threat to the security of the US, PRIOR to 911? Do you have some idea as to why Americans were not informed as to this threat, or why there was no preemptive strike made?

Please note I am merely asking a question, no attack is being made; I am merely trying to recall the events, and hope that you have additional information.
Thanks.


______________________________________________________________
Where love rules, there is no will to power, and where power predominates, love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other.
 
Posts: 3675 | Location: a beautiful farm in a MORE beautiful valley. | Registered: 27 October 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
Mic, if he had word about a pending attack what good to tell the American public? What if it did not happen and we were all hysterical? Second, who the hell was he supposed to be looking for, even today these slobs don't wear uniforms, and our young men and women are being slaughtered as the creeps hide behind women and children and in mosques. We cannot attack first because of collateral damage, I say stick it with the collateral damage, these sneaks need to be hunted out and killed.


Hummingbird
 
Posts: 766 | Location: long island new york | Registered: 10 September 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
OH YOO HOO MR GOLDBERG MIC I AM AWAITING YOUR REPLY WITH BAITED BREATH. WHAT'S THE MATTER? DID I MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE SO YOU CANNOT ANSWER ME?


Hummingbird
 
Posts: 766 | Location: long island new york | Registered: 10 September 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
Posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hummingbird:
Mic, if he had word about a pending attack what good to tell the American public? What if it did not happen and we were all hysterical? Second, who the hell was he supposed to be looking for, even today these slobs don't wear uniforms, and our young men and women are being slaughtered as the creeps hide behind women and children and in mosques. We cannot attack first because of collateral damage, I say stick it with the collateral damage, these sneaks need to be hunted out and killed.



Congratulations, the brain child of the Bush administration, the TERROR ALERT was a total farce.


EGO SUM LUX MUNDI
 
Posts: 1831 | Location: Oslo, Norway | Registered: 15 February 2009Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
  Powered by Eve Community Page Next | Last 
 

BackInTheBronx.com    BackInTheBronx.com Bulletin Board    Forums  Hop To Forum Categories  Back In THE BRONX Forums  Hop To Forums  General Interest    Double Dealing with Islamic Extremism