A turning point
in the Culture War

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Posted: March 25, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern



By David Limbaugh

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Terri Schiavo's medical condition is in dispute, she left no living will, we don't know her present wishes, and yet the courts are ordering that her husband has the right to kill her? This outrage simply couldn't happen in a culture that considered human life sacred.

"Objection," you say. "The courts are exhibiting their ultimate respect for life by carrying out the wishes of a person to terminate her own life and die with dignity."


Even the "pull the tube" advocates, then, are agreeing that we can't remove the feeding tube unless the patient has previously indicated her intent, either in writing or verbally, that that be done.

But what other conditions must be necessary for the doctors to remove nourishment to a physically healthy patient? Well, presumably, the patient must be in a persistent vegetative state, or PVS.

The courts have apparently determined that both conditions have been satisfied: Terri is in a PVS, and she expressed her intention not to be kept alive artificially if she ever arrived in that condition.

But based on informed opinions we've learned about in the last few days alone, isn't it obvious that there is significant doubt as to both conditions?

Nurses who personally treated Terri are coming out of the woodwork to state that Terri was responsive, communicative, capable of swallowing and far from a PVS. Distinguished physicians are opining that Terri is not only not in a PVS, but could likely be rehabilitated. Her parents, who surely would not do anything intentionally to cause or perpetuate Terri's suffering, believe she has been responsive and wants to continue living. Is this not enough to raise extraordinary doubts as to Terri's alleged PVS?

What about Terri's alleged expression of intent that she not be artificially sustained? Shouldn't it deeply disturb us that the courts are relying primarily on the testimony of an estranged, discredited husband riddled with personal conflicts of interest to divine Terri's intent, especially when Michael reportedly didn't share that communication for some seven years after Terri's "incident"?

Shouldn't it haunt us that a number of Terri's nurses have stated that Michael forbad rehabilitative and other treatment to Terri at a time when she seemed susceptible to improvement and that he made shocking statements about Terri? What possible motive, other than masochism, would they have to lie?

With his egregious conflicts of interest, does anyone really believe Michael is motivated to honor Terri's rather than his own wishes?

Even if Terri did express something to Michael, how likely is it that she had a feeding tube in mind? Does anyone believe she actually spoke with anywhere close to such specificity, indicating to Michael that she wanted to be starved and dehydrated to death even if there were serious doubt as to her being in a PVS?

Don't say it doesn't matter, because the types of life-sustaining measures a person requires depend on the condition the person is in. Indeed, if it doesn't matter, why are makers of living wills required to specify such choices?

Let me also ask you to consider this: What if a person had a living will stating she did not want to be kept alive if she ever became brain-damaged with limited cognitive functions, but once she arrived at that state, expressed a desire to continue living?

Should her written directive override even her present intentions? Stated another way, should we dishonor a person's will to live, even if she doesn't have any more brainpower than a severely retarded person, solely because she issued a previous directive to the contrary when she had greater capacity?

If so, aren't we saying, in effect, that a mentally handicapped person's life is less valuable, less precious than that of a person with full mental capacities? Aren't we deciding to terminate life based on our subjective view of one's quality of life?

What this boils down to is that our courts (and far too many in society) are so acclimated to our Culture of Death that they are erring on the side of death. Despite enormous doubts about Terri's condition, her intentions and even her initial injury, the courts are determining that in the end, none of this matters because anyone in Terri's diminished state (no matter what it specifically is) is better off dead. It's essentially a court-ordered murder based on the court's subjective assessment of the victim's quality of life – an assessment tainted by its diminished reverence for human life.

The decision to kill Terri Schiavo is not in deference to Terri's intentions, about which there is way too much doubt, but to godlessness, humanism and death. It is to quench society's lust for death.

This case marks a turning point in the Culture War, where society is making a giant leap toward the dark side, embracing the lie over truth and death over life. In our relentless quest to become like gods, we are crossing another sacred line, and it is hard to imagine how we might return.


JIMMY SAYS:I COULDNT OF PUT IT BETTER MYSELF
EXACTLY MY OPINION.

NICE TALKING TO YOU.
NUFF SAID.

And foremost she DID receive communion today.She could not take the waffer but wine was put on her tongue.
I also see Larry Klaymen is now involved, remember him from Judicial Watch. People please, can't you see what's happening here?

Your'e right Jimmy, enough said, 'cause you still don't understand me.
:You asked what helping others in her situation has to do with anything, and I will take the above "article" as an example.
You are all acting as if Terri Schiavo is the first person to die in this manner. It was 15 years ago that we had that option for my grandmother. How many people have died in 15 years of starvation?
so Jimmy, my question is, what have you done to help those people live, and what will you do to help future "murders"? Or is this circus your only cause, and when Terri dies, you walk away with the rest of the media clowns?
Decades of feeding tubes being removed, where is the destruction of society that the above article talks of?

PROLONG WHAT SUFFERING,?
SHE WASNT SUFFERING.? OR IN A COMA,WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS STUFF FROM.?

WHOS SELFISH,? BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT THEIR LOVING DAUGHTER TO BE MURDERED.

YOUR RIGHT, AND I NEVER WILL UNDERSTAND YOUR WAY OF THINKING.
BUT I ALSO RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO VOICE YOUR OPINION.
AS LONG AS THE NAME CALLING IS NOT STARTED.

THANK YOU

I AM NOT A MEDIA CLOWN, AND I RESENT THAT CRAPOLA. WHAT OTHER MURDERS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
APPLES AND ORANGES,WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TERRI SCHIAVO'S MURDER. PERIOD.
WHATS WITH THE NAME CALLING A LIBERAL PLOY WHEN THEY CANT ARGUE A POINT THEY EITHER CHANGE THE ARGUMENT OR THEY START THE NAME CALLING.
IM ABOVE THAT, BUT IM ONE OF THE BEST IF I WANT TO BE OR HAVE TO BE.

quote:

Originally posted by karyn:
Jimmy, the nitpicking is this whole communion thing. It's one excuse after another after another, when does it end? When do they leave her in peace? Jesus Christ what is it about my post that was not clear? Who said anything about nitpicking and ballbreaking about her life????? God did not disconnect the tube? When a child dies of some horrible disease, Catholic priests are always quick to say "it was God's will"
And the same goes for you Jimmy, if you don't like what i say, then don't read my posts. I can't disagree with you?
Tell me Jimmy, what have YOU DONE FOR THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT DIE LIKE TERRI, EVERY SINGLE DAY IN THIS COUNTRY???????

BUT KARYN, PLEASE, LOL IT'S NOT WHAT THE WAFER REPRESENTS, IT'S TERRI'S RIGHT...HER RIGHT... SHE'S A ROMAN CATHOLIC...AND SHE WAS DENIED COMMUNION BY THE BOSHOLVIK JUDGES!!!!!!!!!

WE KNOW JESUS WILL FORGIVE HER...THATS' NOT THE ISSUE....HER HUMAN RIGHT WAS TAKEN AWAY.

LOL OH MADONNA I GIVE UP

JIMMY AND SILVER FOX,
I HOPE YOU GUYS STICK AROUND HERE FOR AWHILE..
WE NEED THE ANTI- BOSHLEVIKS ON HERE.....

quote:

Originally posted by BelmontGirl:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JIMMY:
death is equal to a promotion UP, isn't it? Why is everybody screaming about death as though it's the worst thing in the world?? Do you all think you're here forever? This is a quick stop-over, a break in the trip. Final destination: D-E-A-T-H. All aboard!

BECAUSE IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THEN PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T HANDLE THIS TOUGH LIFE OF OURS, WOULD BE SHOUTING" BEAM ME UP SCOTTY," WOULDN'T THEY?..ISN'T SUICIDE WRONG? ISN'T MURDER WRONG?


AGAIN, EVERYONE'S ANSWER HERE IS JUSTIFYING TERRI'S MURDER ..IT'S MURDER..PURE AND SIMPLE..WHAT DON'T ALL OF YOU GET?????
AND STOP POSTING ABOUT HER QUALITY OF LIFE, AND THE "BUTS", HUSBAND , AND MONEY, WILLS...THERE ARE NO BUTS...
IT'S MURDER- AND JUDGING BY SOME OF YOUR BRILLIANT POSTS , JUST CAN'T/WON'T ACCEPT THAT..


"WHICH PRISONER SHALL BE SET FREE, JESUS OR BARBARUS"???

quote:

Originally posted by JIMMY:
I AM NOT A MEDIA CLOWN, AND I RESENT THAT CRAPOLA. WHAT OTHER MURDERS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
APPLES AND ORANGES,WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TERRI SCHIAVO'S MURDER. PERIOD.
WHATS WITH THE NAME CALLING A LIBERAL PLOY WHEN THEY CANT ARGUE A POINT THEY EITHER CHANGE THE ARGUMENT OR THEY START THE NAME CALLING.
IM ABOVE THAT, BUT IM ONE OF THE BEST IF I WANT TO BE OR HAVE TO BE.

I am not a liberal, I am a Republican, and if you read any of my posts, you would know that. But to tell you the truth, with all the twisting and turning my fellow Republicans are doing here, that may change.
I didn't do any name calling, Laura started that one.
:Unless, once again, you MISUNDERSTOOD and thought that I called YOU a media clown.

What other murders am I talkign about???? didnt; you READ MY POST?

quote:

Originally posted by JIMMY:
YOUR RIGHT, AND I NEVER WILL UNDERSTAND YOUR WAY OF THINKING.
BUT I ALSO RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO VOICE YOUR OPINION.
AS LONG AS THE NAME CALLING IS NOT STARTED.

THANK YOU

JIMMY it's not that you dont understand my way of thinking, you, for some reason, don't understand the words that I am typing. You are taking everything that I am saying and twisting it, my God, you just called me a liberal. That means you did not read my posts, because I stated several times where my political loyalties lie.

quote:

BOSHLEVIKS

Ahhhhhhhhh


BOSHLEVIKS

I see Paulie's influence is still around. Now I'm a communist too. What a crock of shit.

Jimmy, the people on your side are doing the name calling.

EXCUSE ME KARYN, UH PAULIE'S INFLUENCE? NO, I DON'T THINK SO, IT'S MORE LIKE "GEORGIES" INFLUENCE...I DO COME FROM A VERY CONSERVATIVE FAMILY, YOU KNOW THAT...HOWEVER...

, LOOK, THIS IS A VERY PASSIONATE SUBJECT, AND YOU AND OTHERS CAN'T BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME... I'VE USED THE TERM BOSHELVIK MANY TIMES IN MY POSTS, YOU KNEW THAT ALSO.. AND IF THE SHOE FITS ANY ONE HERE, WELL THAN THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM ..

THIS IS TURNING INTO A VERY NASTY SUBJECT, AND I HAVE MY OPINIONS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE PRO-ABORTION AND PRO TERRI MURDER AND AGAINST CAPITAL PUNISHMENT...

IF NO ONE LIKES MY POSTS, TOO BAD DON'T READ IT..
I REFUSE TO SIT AND HAVE A MURDER JUSTIFIED!!!
OR HEAR EXCUSES FOR THE "BOSHLEVIKS "

PERIOD..

And who turned it into a nasty subject cathy???

Not me.

I never said I was right. Whre did I say that any of you were wrong. It was a pretty good DEBATE until you and Laura started with mud slinging.

quote:

Originally posted by karyn:
And who turned it into a nasty subject cathy???

Not me.

WELL I DIDN'T CALL ANYONE AN IDIOT....STUBBORN, FEARFUL, THICK HEADED, YES...NOT IDIOTS.

BOSHLEVIKS , KARYN, WAS A TERM I USED TO REPRESENT, NOT ONLY THE PRO MURDERES ON THIS BOARD, BUT THE JUDGES AND LIBERAL PARTY AS WELL... YOU KNOW THAT........

AND A PRETTY GOOD DEBATE AS WELL...
I CAN CONTROL MY NAME CALLING, SOME CAN'T ...
WHAT CAN I SAY, SOME ARE JUST AS PISSED OFF AS I AM, AND AN'T EXPRESS AS WELL I GUESS...


I DO THINK I READ AN APPOLOGY SOMEWHERE ON THE TERRI TOPICS...DID I NOT?

quote:

Originally posted by karyn:
I never said I was right. Whre did I say that any of you were wrong. It was a pretty good DEBATE until you and Laura started with mud slinging.

ME? MUD SLINGS? WHERE????
BOSHELVIK????..